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Both the school and I are trying hard to get him back again the school have been involved the hospital meet with them they know and teachers are amazing this setback happened 4 weeks ago his teacher noticed him very agitated and he has a special pass that allows him to just hold it up and leave to his safe spot in the office and call me.
Our problem is he just goes silent so while he has answered my question of did something happen in class with yes that's all we get.
I finally convinced him to go see his psychiatrist only to find out yesterday that's he is not practicing at the moment feels like the world is just against us.
I'll contact his hospital today and hope we can find a new Dr that Matt can gain trust in
The problem with his paranoia reached levels that even walking past someone who is laughing at nothing to do with him he believes it is this is after years of being tormented by things like pushing him over in mud to laugh at the fat kid trying to get up ( he's a big solid boy but not really fat ) pulling his chair out from under him telling him he is ugly gay would never have a girl like him to a girl saying let's go out to only dump him that afternoon in front of everyone and saying it was all a setup and joke over the years he just grew his hair long so when they made fun of him he just let it drop over his face as a shield and goes into another world a silent one
I am struggling with knowing that while I was sending him to school thinking he was safe he wasn't the day came when he rang me from school and said I'm going to kill myself which was the start of a horrific last year
I knew he was picked on but not to the extent it was the guilt I feel that l kept sending him there is driving me crazy and sometimes I get so frustrated with him the constant voice in my head " if only he would talk to somebody " We have given him so many options if people to talk to family our friends headspace counsellors online kids help places we just can't break this silent barrier he has put up
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@Trapet it definitely sounds like you have tried just about everything to break down the walls.


This must be so draining on you, and your family. You haven't mentioned if Matt has any siblings, or how all of this is affecting them and you as a family unit. 


Getting our kids to open up and talk to us is extremely difficult, especially boys. Please keep trying. There has to be somebody somewhere he will open up to, you just need to keep being there for him until that person comes along.


Keep us updated. 



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Hey @Trapet Welcome to ReachOut Parents.

Thank you so much for sharing your story with us. It's clear how much you love your son and care about his well-being. I think I can speak for the community when I say we get how incredibly heartbreaking and difficult a situation like this is. The feelings can be overwhelming. So much fear about what might happen, anxiety about what you're supposed to do, frustration when schools and services don't seem to be helping and the guilt about how this came about. At the time when you need to be most calm and present, is exactly the time when it feels like your chest is going to explode.  But you can definitely find solace in the knowledge that you being in his corner is one of the greatest gifts you give him. Your concern is a big part of what he needs so keep reminding yourself that you guys are battling the same monster, together, shoulder to shoulder. 


So I wanted to put forward a suggestion that might seem a bit strange. I was reading through what you've shared and the amazing feedback the parents have offered. And as exactly as @Big_Crab says, I'm sure you've tried heaps of things already. What if you took 'opening up' off the table for a bit? And put in 'connecting' instead? Sometimes when really full-on things are happening with our kids we start coming from a place of fear. We are so desperate to keep them safe we can get a bit blindsided. I know that when my eldest was in her darkest period I needed her to tell me what was going on inside her all the time. Sometimes she'd make a face and I'd start saying "what's wrong honey?" and 30 minutes later we'd both be crying and she'd have gone mute a while back and I would be saying "please tell me, please just tell me."

It sounds pretty dismal now but at the time I was so terrified that I was going to lose her that I felt like I needed to see inside her mind so I could start addressing the issues. What I ultimately had to do was relax, back up a bit and just be with her, in whatever way she needed me.

She later told me that she was so anxious about what would happen if she started speaking that it made her unable to speak.

Is there any chance that your son is feeling something similar?

What would happen if you stopped asking him to talk about his feelings, just for a bit, and instead just hang out with him? Even if he's staring out at space, if he knows you're nearby and that it's ok for him to be inside himself, that might make a difference. It's just a process of 'taking the pressure off'. Even though I know you don't at all mean it to feel like pressure to him if it's possible that he's seeing or feeling like it is then that may be why he's struggling so much with talking about his feelings.

@motherbear and @Lily17 both had some great suggestions. What do you think about trying them but holding off on the part where he needs to open up and instead make it more about you guys spending quality time together?


I'd love to know what @lucille thinks about this too. If you click here you can read the topic Lucille started. I have a feeling you might find some similarities.


Finally, I'm wondering about where you're getting your support from. Do you have someone, professional or not, that you can debrief and offload to?


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Hi there (I am not sure how to make your @Trapet....oh there...I just did it!  Learnt something today).

Thanks for tagging me @Ngaio-RO because otherwise I would have missed the post.

Yes....big similarities with our story and yours.  We also have a 16 year old son who was severely bullied in Year 6. He is still suffering psychologically to this has been the longest, hardest, darkest road over the last couple of years.  He is currently in Year 11.  However, he is no longer at school.  He finished about 2 weeks ago.....he just walked out of the school grounds (without permission), walked home to our house and came in the door and looked at me and said 'I'm done.  I can't do it anymore'.  He hasn't been back to school since and I doubt we will get him back there.  So the last 3 weeks have been very stressful.  Even this morning, I've had tears and my husband had to come home from work to support me.  Our son is also on medication...two for depression/anxiety and the other for paranoia/psychosis.  There has never been any drugs or alcohol and we are not being naïve...the reason we know this is that his social anxiety is so great that he doesn't go to parties and doesn't leave the house very often.  I'm just adding that bit in because sometimes people hear the word psychosis and think it is because he took drugs....definitely not.  We have had excellent support from the school and he has a great team of doctors, but I can't say he's really getting better.  I won't go on anymore about our story, but I just thought I would make contact and share the similarities and then you can ask questions or make contact if you want.  I am going away tomorrow for about 5 days, way out west to my parents' property to support them and to give our son some time away from social media, the xbox etc.  So I will be off-line for a bit but I'm here all day today.  Talk soon.

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Thanks @lucille very much.


And I'm so glad you nailed the @ mention thing.  It's not like other software so it takes a bit of getting used to.

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@lucille it's like we are living the same life it's finally beating me not sure about you but up until last year I was a positive outgoing person but no more do u take time out for you?
I do I have horses and get some time which used to be my saving grace but my interest is fading I don't feel happy with them anymore.
My friends tell me to stay strong it will all get better your a great mum but I can't make myself feel strong anymore. I feel I have failed Matt now no matter what people say, do you get feelings like this? 
We are the same Matt doesn't leave his room so there is no drugs involved it's what the years of torment have done to him 
I found an online place called wise employment that help people like our kids Matts not in the head space to go down this path yet however it gives me some hope that he may be able to get a job in the future could be worth a look for you.
I'm ready to let him go from school but his dreams of being a writer will be crushed it's so unfair that as victims their whole future is in jeopardy xx
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Thanks so much @ngaio-ro
That has been our choice this week to just stop not that we asked often approx every third day starting with would you like to go to class or do you think you can go to class today instead we have been trying to engage him in " normal" family things what do you feel like for dinner come play with your dog etc 
I have some great friends but as I've started to just be at home not my normal outgoing self they have backed off if I called they would be there for me however it's just hard for them to really understand and l feel too tired to talk about it over and over it's not fair to them either 
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Hey @Trapet I just wanted to say what a great job you're doing and, just like there's no connection between who your son is as a person and the fact he was bullied, as in he didn't deserve it, he didn't ask for it and it certainly doesn't mean he's not a good person, it's the same with your parenting and your son's struggles. Just because he's experiencing difficulties doesn't mean you did anything wrong or did anything to deserve it. 

Parents with struggle free kids, who seem to walk through life without any real barriers or hurdles, aren't better parents they're just lucky parents.


Maybe it's time to call one of the friends who has backed off, and head out to a movie or dinner and get a solid break. I know that when things got really bad with my daughter and I was when it was the absolute hardest to do the things I knew I needed. It was like my guilt wouldn't allow me to have a night off when I knew she was still struggling. But I was always able to give her more when I went and recharged my batteries.


Is there one special friend you could go and have some down-time with?

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Just thinking outside the square from experience.


When we were really down and out I found 3 things worked.


Touch, without touch we are nothing and its one of the biggest things humans crave.


You don't have to say anything at all - it gets an automatic response internally. When we are down a simple back rub or gentle squeeze of the shoulder really helps reduce the intensity of emptiness.


A simple way of letting your teen know you are around and caring is by texting, short, simple words.


A massage. You drive there, lie down, get up and go home.. and find that you are relaxed and soothed if only for a few minutes.


I found working with MH clients in hospital and the units they would be far calmer if I said nothing, sat and listened then I'd give them a pat on the back or shake their hands - their response always overwhelmed me. 


Sometimes when we stress so much it makes things worse. Esp when our kids aren't communicating it messes our head up and we can't let it out. Sometimes I think my kids have more sense then I do - I just can't see it for the messiness below my gray hair..








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@Trapet . I can see you are feeling very fearful about your sons future if he is not going to  school . Please don't despair ! School is not the be all and end all . We are so conditioned to believe that no school no uni no future . This has now proved to be only one pathway to achievement and there are so many other options available to them now . Which state are you in ?  Did you know there are programs  such as Ayce ( in Victoria )  where the teen goes to school once a week and spends the rest of the time at home  doing assignments and projects at their own pace ? Just because he may not go to school  does not mean that his career as a writer will not eventuate . There are online courses he can do to learn to  improve his technical writing skills and the best way to learn organically to be a writer ? Read, read, read !!  

There are many online freelance websites now , where he can tap into work as a freelancer . He will find his niche . His health is what matters right now , and your ability to look after yourself while you look after him . This takes huge psychic and physical energy 

Getting him well enough to function and achieve small goals is the only thing you need to concentrate on now . Let the future take care  of itself . 

The past is a memory , the future is a mystery , the present is a gift .  Go easy on yourself and him .